KVCD: More Size or More CQ?

jorel · #1 02-15-2003, 12:43 AM

what is better with KVCDx3Mpeg2 in a 93 minutes film in 1 cdr 700mb?

352x480 with more CQ

or

480x480 with less CQ?

thanks in advance!

kwag · #2 02-15-2003, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorel

what is better with KVCDx3Mpeg2 in a 93 minutes film in 1 cdr 700mb?

352x480 with more CQ

or

480x480 with less CQ?

thanks in advance!

352x480 with a little bit of "sharpen" and a higher CQ

-kwag

rendalunit · #3 02-15-2003, 01:10 AM

hi jorel, you disappeared for a little while and i thought you were at SansGrips' house partying

well, I don't encode mpeg2- only mpeg1 so i can't use 480x480 unless i use the header trick

i try to always encode 528x480 if the cq doesn't go too low (because mosquitos will appear

) - if the videos too long for x3 res. then i'll go for 352x480- but it's very good to try to keep the cq as high as you can- IMO

take care-
ren

kwag · #4 02-15-2003, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rendalunit

i try to always encode 528x480 if the cq doesn't go too low (because mosquitos will appear

)

We need a new filter, and we'll call it "RAID"

-kwag

jorel · #5 02-15-2003, 01:23 AM

rendalunit wrote:

"hi jorel, you disappeared for a little while and i thought you were at SansGrips' house partying "

no my friend,i was in the top of the mountain
to see if the "ufos" came back with Sansgrip.

2 wise persons ,2 wise friends, 1 (same)wise answer:

"352x480 with a little bit of "sharpen" and a higher CQ "(Kwag)
and
"then i'll go for 352x480- but it's very good to try to keep the cq as high as you can" (rendalunit).

than 2 x thank you very much,friends!!!

you are the best.

rendalunit · #6 02-15-2003, 01:27 AM

YES!!! Gibbs filter should be at the top of the list!!!!! Where are ya SansGrip?

Code:

LoadPlugin ("C:GripsGibbsKiller.dll")
Raid(strength=101)

that'd be nice

kwag · #7 02-15-2003, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rendalunit

YES!!! Gibbs filter should be at the top of the list!!!!! Where are ya SansGrip?

Code:

LoadPlugin ("C:GripsGibbsKiller.dll")
Raid(strength=101)

that'd be nice

jorel · #8 02-15-2003, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

Quote:

Originally Posted by rendalunit

YES!!! Gibbs filter should be at the top of the list!!!!! Where are ya SansGrip?

Code:

LoadPlugin ("C:GripsGibbsKiller.dll")
Raid(strength=101)

that'd be nice

the power of dlls!

J-Wo · #9 02-16-2003, 04:50 PM

Quote:

i try to always encode 528x480 if the cq doesn't go too low (because mosquitos will appear

) - if the videos too long for x3 res. then i'll go for 352x480- but it's very good to try to keep the cq as high as you can- IMO

I've only ever had experience with the KVCDx3 templates, and am very happy with my results so far (Kwag you are a god!). If I try and squeeze a movie just under 2 hrs, say 110 min, onto 1 CDR, I do notice some blockiness in the non-focused areas of the screen (is that what a mosquito is????

) If I'm not happy with the resoluts I usually crank the CQ to 100 and then split the movie over 2 discs and the result is prestine. But if I want to squeeze it onto 1 disc, what are your thoughts on the following templates, and what additional filters should I use if I try:

a) KVCDx2-CQ-704x480-_NTSCFilm_-PLUS.mcf
b) KVCD-CQ-352x480-_NTSCFilm_-PLUS.mcf
c) KVCD-CQ-352x240-_NTSCFilm_-PLUS.mcf
d) KVCD-LBR-352x240-_NTSCFilm_-PLUS.mcf

Boulder · #10 02-16-2003, 05:31 PM

Mosquito noise is the noise seen when there are sharp edges, you can see it around people in the encoded clip if you watch carefully.

Personally I'd choose option B with the filters that are currently recommended in recent threads.

TCC · #11 02-23-2003, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boulder

Mosquito noise is the noise seen when there are sharp edges, you can see it around people in the encoded clip if you watch carefully.

Personally I'd choose option B with the filters that are currently recommended in recent threads.

I am getting that "mosquito" noise you are describing on my final movie. What can be done to eliminate it/them?

Also I can't seem to get my CQ above 56 without going over my sample size (9.528MB; audio 128kbps = 83MB).

This is the avs I'm using with KVCDx3 MPEG-1 template.

Code:

LoadPlugin("C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCD Filters\MPEG2DEC.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCD Filters\FluxSmooth.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCD Filters\GripFit_preview.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCD Filters\Blockbuster.dll")  
LoadPlugin("C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCD Filters\LegalClip.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCD Filters\Sampler.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCD Filters\Convolution3D.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCD Filters\DustV5.dll")

mpeg2source("D:\kvcd.d2v") 

LegalClip() 
GripCrop( width=528, height=480, overscan=2 ) 
GripSize()
GripBorders()
FaeryDust()
Convolution3D(preset="movieHQ") 
LegalClip()

TCC · #12 02-27-2003, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TCC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boulder

Mosquito noise is the noise seen when there are sharp edges, you can see it around people in the encoded clip if you watch carefully.

Personally I'd choose option B with the filters that are currently recommended in recent threads.

I am getting that "mosquito" noise you are describing on my final movie. What can be done to eliminate it/them?

Also I can't seem to get my CQ above 56 without going over my sample size (9.528MB; audio 128kbps = 83MB).

This is the avs I'm using with KVCDx3 MPEG-1 template.

Code:

LoadPlugin("C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCD Filters\MPEG2DEC.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCD Filters\FluxSmooth.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCD Filters\GripFit_preview.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCD Filters\Blockbuster.dll")  
LoadPlugin("C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCD Filters\LegalClip.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCD Filters\Sampler.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCD Filters\Convolution3D.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\VCD Filters\DustV5.dll")

mpeg2source("D:\kvcd.d2v") 

LegalClip() 
GripCrop( width=528, height=480, overscan=2 ) 
GripSize()
GripBorders()
FaeryDust()
Convolution3D(preset="movieHQ") 
LegalClip()

Anyone

heyitsme · #13 02-27-2003, 04:00 AM

First of drop gripborders behind legalclip(). Secondly how long is your movie? If it is over two hours or full screen you might want to bump it up to two cds. If you want a script that really compresses well try this latest one by KWAG

Code:

LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\mpeg2dec.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\GripFit_preview.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\blockbuster.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\legalclip.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\sampler.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\dustv5.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\temporalcleanerold.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\nomosmooth.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\fluxsmooth.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\convolution3d") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\dctfilter_YUY2.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\decomb.dll") 

Mpeg2Source("K:\S1M0NE_WS\VIDEO_TS\simone.d2v") 
LegalClip() 

GripCrop( width=528, height=480, overscan=2 ) 
GripSize(resizer="lanczosresize") 

mergechroma(blur(1.58)) 
mergeluma(blur(0.2)) 
SpaceDust() 
FluxSmooth(7,7) 
NoMoSmooth(40,1,6,1,3,false) 
Convolution3d(preset="movieHQ") 
DctFilter(1,1,1,1,1,1,.5,0) 

GripBorders() 
LegalClip() 
Sampler(length=24)

works very well. If you notice some loss in detail tone down the chroma and luma a bit.

TCC · #14 02-27-2003, 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heyitsme

First of drop gripborders behind legalclip(). Secondly how long is your movie? If it is over two hours or full screen you might want to bump it up to two cds. If you want a script that really compresses well try this latest one by KWAG

Code:

LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\mpeg2dec.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\GripFit_preview.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\blockbuster.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\legalclip.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\sampler.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\dustv5.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\temporalcleanerold.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\nomosmooth.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\fluxsmooth.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\convolution3d") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\dctfilter_YUY2.dll") 
LoadPlugin("C:\encoding\decomb.dll") 

Mpeg2Source("K:\S1M0NE_WS\VIDEO_TS\simone.d2v") 
LegalClip() 

GripCrop( width=528, height=480, overscan=2 ) 
GripSize(resizer="lanczosresize") 

mergechroma(blur(1.58)) 
mergeluma(blur(0.2)) 
SpaceDust() 
FluxSmooth(7,7) 
NoMoSmooth(40,1,6,1,3,false) 
Convolution3d(preset="movieHQ") 
DctFilter(1,1,1,1,1,1,.5,0) 

GripBorders() 
LegalClip() 
Sampler(length=24)

works very well. If you notice some loss in detail tone down the chroma and luma a bit.

Thanks, I'll give kwag's script a try.
Which numbers do I change to tone down, the first, the second or both? And do I increase or decrease them?

Thanks

jorel · #15 03-11-2003, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwag

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorel

what is better with KVCDx3Mpeg2 in a 93 minutes film in 1 cdr 700mb?

352x480 with more CQ

or

480x480 with less CQ?

thanks in advance!

352x480 with a little bit of "sharpen" and a higher CQ

-kwag

returning after do 352x480!

ok,ok!

i was did 480x480 and now do 352x480. is really better!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
editing:
after encode a low action, 480x480 got more sharp...
read please:

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....b480c7d1#21281
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

another question:
the movie is 29,97fps and is a musical, Sarah Brightman-La Luna.
my player don't work very fine with
mpeg1 with resolutions after 352x240,
than it was encoded in mpeg2 using KVCDx3MPEG2 ( 352x480 ).

muaddib,after answer my pm,
told me that most of the musicals are 29,97
and don't needed to use force film, without interlace problems,
the result will be good..... and he is very good.

in my little tests i see that forced film result in less size that 29,97fps,

using the same sample (only one chapter for test)
and i understood the reason for differents size....

then i was thinking:

if i encode this again with the same resolution ( 352x480 )
and forced film, i will encrease the CQ using the prediction
to get the final size in 80 minuts cdr.

...after it all,this is my question:
using forced film in this case, the result will be better or worse ?

can i do it to better quality?

thank you in advance!

muaddib · #16 03-11-2003, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorel

...after it all,this is my question:
using forced film in this case, the result will be better or worse ?

can i do it to better quality?

thank you in advance!

Well, I think the answer is simple.
If your source is NOT telecined, then you must NOT inverse telecine.

If your source is 29.970 NTSC interlaced and you use "force film" (ivtc), then you'll be forcing a 23.976 in a film that's supposed to be at 29.970. This way you will be throwing out frames that will be deeply missed.

Some people say that can't notice these missing frames, but I can.
When I watch a 29.970 NTSC movie that was IVCT, those missing frames comes annoying, biting, breaking, hacking and burning my eyes!! ( I love this ENT talk

)
Serious! It gives me a headache... :twirl:

jorel · #17 03-12-2003, 01:10 AM

thank you my friend muaddib!

now all is very clear.

for me this thread i very important, solve lots of problems and mistakes.
in few posts tons of answers!

and 352x480 is really better and faster too,cos get more CQ!

thank you friend !!! you help a lot again!

ps;
after encode a low action, 480x480 got more sharp...
read please:

http://www.kvcd.net/forum/viewtopic....b480c7d1#21281

and now???